Comments on: Changing rules http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/ la vie existe grace aux choix Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:25:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Micki Chua http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-36826 Micki Chua Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:32:50 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-36826 Whatever law the idiot Umnoputra are talking are just ALL BUT DAMN BULLSHIT.Just throw those suckers OUT.PERIOD. Whatever law the idiot Umnoputra are talking are just ALL BUT DAMN BULLSHIT.Just throw those suckers OUT.PERIOD.

]]> By: oris http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35243 oris Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:00:37 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35243 Go amend the federal constitution. Let the YBs who wish to defect resign first but allow them to re-contest. Win win situation for both rakyat and MPs/Aduns. BTW, Sabah had this anti-hop law but then Tun Mahathir led Umno/BN challenged them in court and the state lost. What goes around comes around. Umno/BN is losing the federal government and desperately want to hang on to power. In the case of Sabah, Umno/BN staged a power grab by challenging the anti-hop law. True enough, PBS lost power and Umno/BN regained Sabah. Lets see some by-elections and vote out BN completely. Go amend the federal constitution. Let the YBs who wish to defect resign first but allow them to re-contest. Win win situation for both rakyat and MPs/Aduns.

BTW, Sabah had this anti-hop law but then Tun Mahathir led Umno/BN challenged them in court and the state lost. What goes around comes around. Umno/BN is losing the federal government and desperately want to hang on to power. In the case of Sabah, Umno/BN staged a power grab by challenging the anti-hop law.

True enough, PBS lost power and Umno/BN regained Sabah. Lets see some by-elections and vote out BN completely.

]]> By: Vincent Wong http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35233 Vincent Wong Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:47:24 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35233 I think we have to carefully consider the implications of such a law or lack of. We have been many times fooled by an MP's broken promises; consider if the people choose an MP for which is represents the Party's ideals, e.g. an elected MP for PKR, if we voted for PKR because of the ideals for which PKR stands for then he hops over to BN. Won't that be cheating the people? I believe the Anti-Hopping Law could serve the people better, if an MP decides to leave a political parti; that will force a by-election. Whereby, this will allow the people to endorse the fact that if the that the MP still represents the people who voted for him if he joins the otherside; this will allow the Party who is loosing the seat, to substitue another candidate to contest the seat. Which means, if the new candidate gets elected then the people is following the party; if the people votes for the MP who choose to cross over gets reelected then that means the people is following the personality. In the end, it is the people's choice who will represent them in government. We have to remember that MPs are people's representatives; if he no longer represent the people's views and desires very likely so there should be a by-election to allow the people to select a new MP. I think we have to carefully consider the implications of such a law or lack of. We have been many times fooled by an MP’s broken promises; consider if the people choose an MP for which is represents the Party’s ideals, e.g. an elected MP for PKR, if we voted for PKR because of the ideals for which PKR stands for then he hops over to BN. Won’t that be cheating the people?

I believe the Anti-Hopping Law could serve the people better, if an MP decides to leave a political parti; that will force a by-election. Whereby, this will allow the people to endorse the fact that if the that the MP still represents the people who voted for him if he joins the otherside; this will allow the Party who is loosing the seat, to substitue another candidate to contest the seat. Which means, if the new candidate gets elected then the people is following the party; if the people votes for the MP who choose to cross over gets reelected then that means the people is following the personality. In the end, it is the people’s choice who will represent them in government.

We have to remember that MPs are people’s representatives; if he no longer represent the people’s views and desires very likely so there should be a by-election to allow the people to select a new MP.

]]> By: Adi fimiyun http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35223 Adi fimiyun Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:00:40 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35223 Sdr Tian Chua,Sdr Faisal Tehrani ( http://tehranifaisal.blogspot.com/ ) is writing one of his best critical novel series thru his blog and there is one women character in that novel is looking for your phone number. The theme for that series is straight forward and I hope that you'll able to spend your precious time with him and give your phone number directly to kak Sal, the women that looking for your phone number. :) Sdr Tian Chua,Sdr Faisal Tehrani ( http://tehranifaisal.blogspot.com/ ) is writing one of his best critical novel series thru his blog and there is one women character in that novel is looking for your phone number.

The theme for that series is straight forward and I hope that you’ll able to spend your precious time with him and give your phone number directly to kak Sal, the women that looking for your phone number. :)

]]> By: Switching Camp http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35153 Switching Camp Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:11:51 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35153 The new Law Minister is just trying to divert attention of in-fighting with Umno....where the days are numbered. From his suggestion, it's clear that the governing authority is 'sleeping on the job' for far too long. Such is a failed and authority which had been punished by the voters in 2008GE. If 'this mob' cannot run the country, pls let others have a go. It's a fair go for the opposition who had won such a big margin. The new Law Minister is just trying to divert attention of in-fighting with Umno….where the days are numbered. From his suggestion, it’s clear that the governing authority is ’sleeping on the job’ for far too long.
Such is a failed and authority which had been punished by the voters in 2008GE. If ‘this mob’ cannot run the country, pls let others have a go. It’s a fair go for the opposition who had won such a big margin.

]]> By: wohenpa http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35148 wohenpa Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:04:48 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35148 You have your points. However, consider this: When I vote, my decision is based on many criteria. This include the candidate himself/herself, his/her party and the "macro" situation then. An anti-hopping law will do more good than harm. All your points can be countered in one act: Should the person changing his/her mind and want to hop, he/she shall resigned. He/she can then re-contest the seat. Let the people decide. GO BACK TO RAKYAT. You have your points. However, consider this:
When I vote, my decision is based on many criteria. This include the candidate himself/herself, his/her party and the “macro” situation then.

An anti-hopping law will do more good than harm. All your points can be countered in one act: Should the person changing his/her mind and want to hop, he/she shall resigned. He/she can then re-contest the seat. Let the people decide. GO BACK TO RAKYAT.

]]> By: SV Singam http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35144 SV Singam Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:24:42 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35144 Discussing why UMNO/BN want to prevent party hopping at this time is totally pointless, unless your objective is UMNO-bashing. I prefer to examine the ethical issues. Tian Chua identifies some valid situations where party hopping may be justified. But we also are well aware that the freedom to hop has been abused to steal power. This situation will not change in the near future. There are many instances where freedoms have been restricted or removed because people abuse the system. That is a fact of life that we have to accept. Politics is no exception. The bottom line here is the will of the people who voted. GE12 was radically different from previous elections in that people voted for opposition parties irrespective of the race or party affiliation of the candidate. Let us not delude ourselves that it was otherwise. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that those people voting for BN candidates wanted BN to stay in power. If we now accept BN turncoats, we are helping them to break the trust of their electorate. That is unethical. By doing that, we put ourselves at the same level as the BN parties. I suggest one of 2 solutions. 1. The person resigns his seat and seeks a fresh mandate in a by-election. 2. The person leaves his party and remains an independent, voting according to his conscience. Both of these solutions will help us evade the ethical dilemma and demonstrate the higher moral ideal that we strive for. But if the urgency of taking over the federal government is given precedence, then we are no better than BN! Discussing why UMNO/BN want to prevent party hopping at this time is totally pointless, unless your objective is UMNO-bashing. I prefer to examine the ethical issues.

Tian Chua identifies some valid situations where party hopping may be justified. But we also are well aware that the freedom to hop has been abused to steal power. This situation will not change in the near future. There are many instances where freedoms have been restricted or removed because people abuse the system. That is a fact of life that we have to accept. Politics is no exception.

The bottom line here is the will of the people who voted. GE12 was radically different from previous elections in that people voted for opposition parties irrespective of the race or party affiliation of the candidate. Let us not delude ourselves that it was otherwise. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that those people voting for BN candidates wanted BN to stay in power.

If we now accept BN turncoats, we are helping them to break the trust of their electorate. That is unethical. By doing that, we put ourselves at the same level as the BN parties.

I suggest one of 2 solutions.

1. The person resigns his seat and seeks a fresh mandate in a by-election.
2. The person leaves his party and remains an independent, voting according to his conscience.

Both of these solutions will help us evade the ethical dilemma and demonstrate the higher moral ideal that we strive for.

But if the urgency of taking over the federal government is given precedence, then we are no better than BN!

]]> By: puakangkang http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35123 puakangkang Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:34:40 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35123 Its very interesting when people beat the gun and say many things before it actually happens. There are numerous letters appeared, carrying thinly veiled attack on Anwar in Malaysiakini for showing his readiness to accept party hoppers. My suggestion is.. relax guys.. Anwar is just protecting his party by saying that many "frogs" about to hop in as to prevent some of his own man chasing the dangling BN carrot. By saying we are the government in waiting, he actually promotes the notion that "if you go now, later you will become opposition again". Now, is the election in Sabah is legitimate as we all perceived as it is.? Will all us agree, in the next election if Barisan Nasional brings in one million foreigners (with mykad) and evenly distribute them all over Penang to make sure its with Umno and not other Chinese dominated party.? If after the election some Barisan MP's wanted to cross over to opposition as their conscience is pricking; will it be morally wrong or they should still kow tow to the "instant Malaysians". Sometimes justice comes in a weird package. Its very interesting when people beat the gun and say many things before it actually happens. There are numerous letters appeared, carrying thinly veiled attack on Anwar in Malaysiakini for showing his readiness to accept party hoppers. My suggestion is.. relax guys.. Anwar is just protecting his party by saying that many “frogs” about to hop in as to prevent some of his own man chasing the dangling BN carrot. By saying we are the government in waiting, he actually promotes the notion that “if you go now, later you will become opposition again”.

Now, is the election in Sabah is legitimate as we all perceived as it is.? Will all us agree, in the next election if Barisan Nasional brings in one million foreigners (with mykad) and evenly distribute them all over Penang to make sure its with Umno and not other Chinese dominated party.? If after the election some Barisan MP’s wanted to cross over to opposition as their conscience is pricking; will it be morally wrong or they should still kow tow to the “instant Malaysians”. Sometimes justice comes in a weird package.

]]> By: caravanserai http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35111 caravanserai Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:04:50 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35111 Democracy allows people to disagree With party views and policies The party leaders shouldn’t be allowed to usurp The Federal Constitution of personal freedom and associations BN wants to introduce Anti-Hopping Law Is it to rule over its members to hop over? Elected representatives by the people Surely they must represent them And not to bow to the party leaders The elected representatives must have the liberty To say what is right and what is wrong The voters who put them there must not be short-changed The representatives shouldn’t say they must follow party rules When dealing with laws affecting the people The law makers must stand for the voters When in Parliament House this is what they must do The voters put them there to fight for them And the future of the country’s direction They are not there to curtail personal freedom The exercise of freedom of one’s needs So I won’t support Anti-Hopping Law We are adults we should be allowed to change Fighting for the constituents a must for the elected representative It must be always for the country and her people Democracy allows people to disagree
With party views and policies
The party leaders shouldn’t be allowed to usurp
The Federal Constitution of personal freedom and associations

BN wants to introduce Anti-Hopping Law
Is it to rule over its members to hop over?
Elected representatives by the people
Surely they must represent them
And not to bow to the party leaders

The elected representatives must have the liberty
To say what is right and what is wrong
The voters who put them there must not be short-changed
The representatives shouldn’t say they must follow party rules
When dealing with laws affecting the people

The law makers must stand for the voters
When in Parliament House this is what they must do
The voters put them there to fight for them
And the future of the country’s direction
They are not there to curtail personal freedom
The exercise of freedom of one’s needs

So I won’t support Anti-Hopping Law
We are adults we should be allowed to change
Fighting for the constituents a must for the elected representative
It must be always for the country and her people

]]> By: Tony Chew http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35109 Tony Chew Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:48:24 +0000 http://www.tianchua.net/en/2008/03/25/changing-rules/#comment-35109 I agree with you. It is typical of the BN government (read UMNO) to come up with ad-hoc rules and regulations to cover a leak when there are a thousand leaks. Nothing that this stupid UMNO party has done over the last 50 years has seen deep holistic thinking, But then again look at the quality of the UMNO goons who are in decision-making positions.....there is more echo between those idiots' ears than the grand canyon !!! I agree with you. It is typical of the BN government (read UMNO) to come up with ad-hoc rules and regulations to cover a leak when there are a thousand leaks. Nothing that this stupid UMNO party has done over the last 50 years has seen deep holistic thinking, But then again look at the quality of the UMNO goons who are in decision-making positions…..there is more echo between those idiots’ ears than the grand canyon !!!

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